Sunday, February 15, 2009

Methotrexate Blues

Oh man! Last weekend was murder with the Methotrexate. It was almost pure torture.Over the past month I have gotten sicker and sicker every time I take the stuff. When it came time to take it last weekend I almost threw up just thinking about it. It make me feel extreme nausea along with flu like symptoms that you feel everywhere in your body, even in places like your earlobes! It is hard to explain, but the only thing I can relate it to is the feeling of being poisoned! It devastates me for over 24 hours and then I feel the residual effects for days! It got to the point that I was done! I just wasn’t going to take it anymore!

Luckily I had a doctor appointment already setup this week. I talked to him in depth about how I was feeling and he was really surprised. He said that about 10% of people have this kind of reaction, and in all the people he has treated I was the only one who has had this strong of reaction. I asked if there was anti nausea medicine I could take and he said that he never treats side effects of one drug with another. I thought that this sounded like sound advice. He suggested that we try switching to the pills and cutting the dose down. I was hesitant to ever try it again, but after he assured me that we would simply stop if I had the same reaction I agreed.

Well last night I took the pills and have done considerably better. I still feel some of the effects, but not nearly as bad and the nausea is greatly diminished and I have been able to manage it. The strange thing is that I have a close friend who was taking the pills and had a ton of side effects, so she switched to the shot and has done much better. Her experience is almost exactly opposite of mine. This just goes to show that everyone is different and what may work for one may not work the same for another.

My doctor also reduced my Prednisone again. I am now down to 12.5 mg per day from 15 mg. The side effect from the Prednisone have reduced to the point that I can really manage them and I feel like I have full control again, although I do notice I get the shakes really bad if I take it late. I told my doctor that I wouldn’t mind maintaining the Prednisone at this level for a while (15 mg) but he told me that at this level the Prednisone was still doing bad things to my body, such as robbing calcium from my bones among other things. He said the he wouldn’t feel comfortable with doing that until we got down to around 5 mg. The goal thought is to get off Prednisone all together. I am noticing pain in my joints just before I take my next dose, but not too bad. I have done this a little every time I have reduced my levels of Prednisone while my body adjusted, although this time it is a little worse. I am hoping that my body will adjust quickly and that I won’t go backwards.

The doctor also put me on one additional medication. It is called Colchicine .6 mg. (Don’t worry, I can’t pronounce it either.) This is typically used for gout, but can help Sarcoidosis. I have also felt some sore pain in my hips and knees which he diagnosed as bursitis. This medicine should help this as well as taking Aleve.

Man, with all of these pills I feel like my grandpa! So I am taking Methotrexate, Prednisone, Placquinel, Colchicine, Folic Acid and Aleve. Nothing like a fist full of pills! Ha!

I gained a little more weight again, so that now I am back to what I was before I started losing weight last year. I am really frustrated with that! I talked to the doctor about what exercise I can do and he was really concerned about any weight bearing exercise, even something like walking. Given my illness and what some of the medicine is doing to my bones he suggested that I either do swimming or bicycling. I don’t have a pool or a exercise bike so I’ll have to see what I can do. I know my wife would love it if we got a pool! =) he he, but I don’t think that is in the budget.

The incision from my biopsy has healed up nicely, but it has some swelling around it still. This has begun to be bothersome in the middle of the night and I am finding that it makes it hard to breath at times. If it continues to be a problem or gets worse I will have it looked at again.

All in all it has been a rough go, but I am still very pleased that I am still going down on the Prednisone. I feel that despite the rocks I am still making progress.

14 comments:

Cold-Hollow said...

Mike,
I thought I'd say Hi, I've been following your blog for a while now. It was one of the first I found on the web and it helped to convince me to post some of my experiences with sarcoidosis, and life in general despite the illness. I'm rooting for you and I pray you have a full recovery soon.
Steve

Mike said...

Steve,

Thank you for your post, comments like this really do help.

You have a great blog by the way, I like the background. Your fast/diet sounds very interesting. I am very interest to see how it turns out for you. I really believe that the things we eat have a big impact on our health. It sounds very healthy and promising. Don’t forget to keep us updated.

BTW, your wife’s blog looks great too. My wife love scrapbooking too, I’ll have to send her the link.

Mike

Charlotte "GG" Erickson said...

Mike,
I ran across your blog re methotrexate. I have been trying to find someone who has the same problem I have. When I first took it, it made me very dizzy, but I continued for almost two months. Then I quit. Unfortunately, the dizziness has not gone away, but it isn't as bad as when I was taking it. I took it so I could get off prednisone which I was taking for polymyalgia rheumatica (PMR). I have now been dizzy for over two years. I don't know if it will ever go away. I have had an MRI and other tests to make sure the dizziness isn't from something else other than the methotrexate. I take Boniva since I'm on prednisone and my bone density tests have been fine. I am reducing my prednisone also. I'm down to 8 mg. I have been taking it for 8 years. The only way I can tell if the PMR is gone is to keep reducing the prednisone as long as I feel okay. I will have to look up sarcoidosis on Google because I don't know what it is. I hope you have a full recovery.
Charlotte

Mike said...

Charlotte,

I’m sorry to hear about your dizziness, that sounds very frustrating! Do they know if it was caused by the Methotrexate or is it possibly a side effect of PMR?

I’m very surprised and happy for you that your bone density hasn’t reduced even after taking the prednisone for 8 years! That’s amazing! This is something I am constantly worrying about. Are you doing anything special to make sure you don’t lose any bone density?

Good luck with your PMR and I hope you begin feeling well soon!

Michael

Anonymous said...

Hi Mike,
I started Methotrexate a week ago for my sarcoidosis and I had the same exact reaction as you did. I couldn't go to work for three days! My doctor suggested I take the same dose, but split the dose in half and take it once at lunch and once at dinner. I will also up my folic acid intake the following day from one pill to four.
I spoke to a friend who told me she felt the same during her chemotherapy treatments. I hope the side effects lessen. Keep up the good work on the blog...makes me feel like I'm not alone. Thanks!
Najwa

Anonymous said...

Mike -

Thank you so much for your post and story. I'm currently on MTX for psoriasis which is fairly progressive. I have been throwing up for about 12 hours each weekend I take it and feel completely miserable. Literally in bed on a Saturday not able to move. Like you said, I seriously feel like I'm poisoning myself. I don't think the process is worth the outcome. I've also seen no improvement in my condition. Thank you!

Mike said...

Anonymous,

I’m sorry to hear that you are having such a hard time with the methotrexate. It has been a long time since I was on it but I still remember how it made me feel. When I was taking it I was wondering the same thing… “Is the fix worse than the illness?” I finally decided that it wasn’t and tried alternatives. For me that was one of the best decisions I could have made. I am feeling MUCH better now and am only feeling slight symptoms.

With the struggle you are having perhaps you should look at other options (medications). Changing off of methotrexate and moving to other medications really worked for me!

I feel for you! Hang in there… it does get better!

Anonymous said...

In response to Anonymous on Aug 7, I don't take anything anymore that gives me an adverse reaction. When I took Methotrexate, it made me dizzy (as if I had too much to drink). I continued for a little over two months and then quit taking it. I still have the dizzy head - about 3 years now. I have had all kinds of tests. My neurologist has me taking herbal supplements now...

Charlotte

P.S. Mike, In response to your question many months ago, I take Boniva once a month since I'm on the prednisone and take calcium supplements.

ZOUAVEZ said...

Hello Mike,
I am in the Veterans Hospital in Tampa, and you blog on MTX is very helpful. I also have Sarcodosis.

My doctors have been wanting (almost inisisting) to put me on Prednisone, and I relented and it put me in the hospital with a bleeding ulcer and tachycardia (a very fast heart rate) just two of its (prednisone) side effects.

They have wanted to put me on "Steriod Sparring" drugs. Sounds nice but "Steriod Sparing" is a nice wat to say Chemo-therapy medication, and that is by all indications like taking poison, so I said NO. Metotrexate sounds just as debilitating.

I think the danger of Sarcoidosis in contracting a Pneumonia, and not being able to recover from it. That is what I most fear. I have been taking a blend of vitamins that have anti-inflamatory properties, and it seems to have controlled the Sarcoid. But over the last six months I have had a series of health set backs: Appendicitis-which led to an appendectomy, Bronchitis, and recently Prostatis, which has kept from taking my vitamins.

Now I am in the hospital for the early stages of pneumonia. Xrays showed that I have infiltrsate in both lungs, and have been in the hospital since Monday June 20th 2011. I have had a couple of Broncoscopies already and today they want to do another. I am concerned about getting a biopsy during this infection and will ask for prudence and care, and will probably not allow them to Biopsy my lungs this time.

I hope I will pull out of this soon, so that I may continue my vitamin therapy.

Thanks for creating this space of expression.

Sincerely,
Charles

ZOUAVEZ said...

Thanks Mike,
I am not taking Methotrexate. Its bad for my kidneys, and I don't want to throw up, and be laid up in bed, or have a dizzy head for three or more years. There are no good medical options to treat Sarcoidosis. I have tried Prednisone but it gave me a bleeding ulcer and a very fast heart rate. I am not going to take the "Steriod Sparring" Chemotherapy drugs, which are also like taking poison.

I have opted for vitamins that have anti-inflamatory properties. They have served to control the Sarcoid, but because of other ilnesses unrelated to Sarcoid I have had to stop taking them. For the last six months I have been taking a series of anti-biotics for other issues: appendicitis, bronchitis, prostatitis, and now this prelimnary pneumonia that has me in the hospital.

I hope to get better soon. Today, the doctors want to do a Bronchoscopy with a Biopsy. I will not allow them to get a biopsy since I have had one before to confirm the Sarcoid, and I am concerned about an infection and healing. I am hoping for a quick recovery. I will follow you on this blog, and thanks again for your voice and this space.

Kevin Shutt said...

Hello Mike!
I came across your blog because I was re-educating myself on Methotrexate. I am from Canada and was diagnosed with Sarcoidosis 1998. It has become chronic over the years and last August 2011 I decided to apply for a disability pension. I have avoided Methotrexate and have taken Plaquenil. The disease has mainly affected my skin, which is a total mess. My recent specialist said "Are you willing to take it now?" This is the worse case I have seen. I am, to be honest, scared to death to take it from all the side affects I hear about it. Are you still taking it? Has it helped/hindered you. My sarcoid rampant.

Kevin from Canada

Mike said...

Hello Kevin,

Thank you for your post. I am very sorry to hear of your experience. It must be difficult having Sarcoid reacting with the skin.

As for the medicine, I have thought many times about taking this page of my blog down because I don’t want to scare people away from using this drug if it can be beneficial to them. Everyone is different and many people can handle this medicine differently than I do. I happen to have a neighbor that has taken this medication for some time and apparently benefits from it. The reason I leave this up is to share my experience with the drug. I want people to talk with their doctors and consider alternatives, if there are any, to be fully informed.

I was diagnosed with Sarcoid on 8-18-08. It is now almost 4 years since I have been diagnosed and I am doing very well. I have a great doctor who has helped me find a regiment that has worked for me. In my experience I have found Imuran to work very well and have almost no side effects. I am on this along with a low dose of Medrol and Plaquenil. As far as I have been able to determine on pub med Imuran has a low risk of cancer that concerns me a little. The effect is additive over time, however I am on a very low dose compared to those who got cancer and as my Doctor said “a very small chance of getting cancer is better than an almost certain effects of a high dose of prednisone.” (By the way, Medrol is like Prednisone but works much better for me and at lower doses) My goal (as is everyone’s) is to be drug and symptom free and I am still working to that end. For now, life is not bad to be honest.

I wish you all the best as you try to find your way through this. One thing that I have found that really does work is prayer. Let the one who knows help you find the answer you need.

Good luck! We are pulling for you! Let us know what you decide and how it works out for you!

Michael

Anonymous said...

Well, I don't post much on the internet anymore. Around October 2012 I was diagnosed with cancer. Next month, a second primary cancer. Stage 3 and stage 2. It basically shut my body down and did permanent damage that my doctors never would have dreamed of. The surgeries, chemotherapy, hospitalizations, radioactive iodine several times and I'm still not done. I have pericarditis now, peripheral neuropathy in both my arms, carpal tunnel, fibrosis, gerd, ulcers, planters fasciitis, some degree of mental illness, borderline glaucoma, hypothyroidism, hypogonadism, osteoarthritis, and of course, stage III sarcoidosis. I'm on methotrexate and as you can assume My body doesn't like it. I'm fatigued all the time. Especially after the day I take it or that night. My eyes cause me problems bad enough that I have to pull off the road sometimes. Not good. I ended pulling a dumb move this week and decided to do something fun and I made my body do it with caffeine. Also not good. Do I regret it. No. Photography and golf are my new hobbies. I was running 15-25 miles a week, working, finishing my masters when I got diagnosed and immediately everything changed. Even typing this has made my eyes start to water and burn just from looking at the screen. Gotta go. Post more later

Mike said...

Dear Anonymous,

Wow, I am so very sorry to hear about what you have been going through. What a devastating turn of events. Hang in there and I pray for your help.